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Latest Round of Overpriced Condos in Clarendon in Arlington -- Part VII

Posted by Jay Seville on Tuesday, June 17th, 2008 at 8:04am.

Plenty of Overpriced Condos in Clarendon, Rosslyn & Ballston in Arlington

Yes it's time for another installment of the overpriced condo series.  I have a feeling there will never be a lack of Arlington condos about which to write.  Homeowners tend to be naturally prone to this disorder--OCD--overpriced condo disorder.  Perhaps that will be our new term as an amateur review just placed this blog at #41 on the most popular real estate blogs in the country.  Not too bad considering there are thousands of them now.  So let's get right to business and try to cure some Sellers of their OCD. 

NOTE: This post contains my personal opinions only and does not reflect the opinion of RE/MAX Allegiance and cannot be taken as advice for your particular situation.  My opinions are just that.  Speak with your agent for advice or call me for input 703-624-3270.  If y ou disagree on anything in particular feel free to state your concerns below.


OCD-- overpriced condo disorder

And before I get the party started, if you are seriously considering buying a clarendon condo then do read this guide to buying on the orange line in Arlington.  And over here you can get general info on clarendon real estate.

Therapy for OCD--truth & common sense & consumer advocacy

overpriced condos in arlington clarendon

1. 888 QUINCY ST N #PH207 This unit at Residences at Liberty Center with 1248 sq ft is listed at $841,000.  Uh yeah....1400 sq footers at Station Square 1 block to Clarendon metro have maxed at 750,000 with most selling around $700,000ish.  It is a much more sought after area which makes this smaller condo--even if the finishes are nicer--at least $100,000 overpriced in my opinion.  I'd be afraid for my buyers to pay more than $625,000 which is about $220,000 below their list price.  Not to mention the condo fees there are a beast.  high condo fees at residences at liberty center

2. 880 POLLARD ST #704 2/2 $549,000 with 955 sq ft. at Ballston 880.  There has been an active listing there of same size priced at $479,000 and several foreclosures there in low $400,000 past year.  the Ballston 880 was heavily purchased by investors and many have gotten burned or are having to rent out their units for cash flow.  In my opinion it's at least $75,000 overpriced.

3. 2001 15TH ST N #1611 listed at $1,225,000 in my favorite condominium in the greater Clarendon area: Odyssey.  Is this a 2000 sq ft unit?  One would think so with this list price.  No it's just a plain old larger condo of 1451 sq ft.   you know the ones that usually sell for $675,000-750,000 in Arlington Virginia.  Throw in a great view and you're up to 850,000 TOPS!  The owner bought this last year for $961,735.  So even though prices have come down in the condo market, the owner increased the price 20%.  My friends this is classic OCD--overpriced condo disorder.  All real estate consultants like myself can do is diagnose it--but we have no cure yet.  diagnosing ocd

4. 3625 10TH ST N #310, ARLINGTON, VA  22201 $684,900. Alert they just dropped price today down to $639,000.  If there ever was a building the past 2 years where some buyers have gotten hosed it's the Monroe Condominium.  This units brags 1178 sq ft .  2BR/2.5BA and in case you didn't know the building delivered in 2006.  A number of these units have sold in the 670s/680s 1-2 years ago.  Have condo prices gone up or down since then.  I would say down.  Some larger units have sold in the 650,000 range right next to Clarendon metro.  And right now at Phoenix condo one can get almost 1300 sq ft for 599,900-630,000.  the Phoenix Condo is 2 blocks to Clarendon metro--a much more sought after location and a newer building with commerical builder--Keating.  My initial impression is that I'd be afraid--especially with Monroe's higher condo fees--for my client to pay more than $575,000. 

And sure enough look at this comp from March 2007--unit 301 --a 2/2.5 unit closed for $599,000 by a colleague within my brokerage of RE/MAX Allegiance.  This means the unit is a solid $100,000 overpriced.  Can you believe this nonsense!#@!  How do they get away with this--consumer ignorance that's how.  For my frank advice on picking the right consultant--like myself--on buying a condo in Clarendon, Arlington Virginia or anywhere for that matter read towards bottom of that article.  Don't get hosed (overpay)! hosed by builder

More Overpriced Condominiums in Arlington on Orange Line

5. 2001 15TH ST N #114, ARLINGTON, VA 22201for $749,900 Yes another overpriced condo at my favorite building: Odyssey Condo. This is a super large unit of  1698 sq ft. that is not in good shape to say the least.  How could tenants get a unit this messed up in such a short time.  It is bank owned and quite unique/choppy.   It originally listed for $849,000 by some hotshot whom I told him he was smokin' crack and kidding himself.  a month later he has dropped $100,000.  The unit was purchased for $650,000 in 2006.  So you think prices shot up 25% --NOT!  Consumers, this is why you go to selling agents (buyer agents) not listing agents for the truth about any listings.  I'd be uncomfortable with anybody paying more than $650,000 ish but given the bizarre layout, $600,000 might be more appropriate.

listing agents for overpriced condos

6. 880 POLLARD ST N #1001, ARLINGTON, VA  22203 $529,000 2BA/2BR in Ballston 880. This building was heavily bought out by investors and there are several short sales under contract and closed foreclosures all around $400,000.  This is terrible news for regular owners in the building.  There is even a "regular" listing for $479,000 for  2/2 there right  now.  In my opinion these are serious issues for the building making this listing seriously overpriced given the unique circumstances. 

7. 1220 FILLMORE ST N #905, ARLINGTON, VA 22201 in Station Square for $419,000 a 1BR of course.  The last one closed for $377,000 a few floors down.  So in my opinion is it's market value is $385,000.  Perhaps a list price of $399,900 would have been more appropriate....

8. 1021 GARFIELD ST N #227, ARLINGTON, VA 22201 for $408,999 in the well known epitome of the peak of the market club  Clarendon 1021 condo!  cool  These 1BR are worth $360-370,00ish now which makes this a farce.  Again the ol' 399 would be a more appropriate list price.

And here are some active listings in Clarendon 1021:

 

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ONE OF THE LARGER CORNER UNIT WITH GARDEN VIEW. 1 BED 1FULL BATH.1 PARKING SPACE NEXT ENT.HUGHE...

Price: $449,000
City: ARLINGTON
Bedrooms: 1
Bathrooms: 1
Property Type: Residential
MLS ID: AR7622917
Original Price: $419,000
Office: Fairfax Realty, Inc.

Bright luxury condo in Clarendon. This ONE BED + DEN is 873 sq ft, has views of Capitol and...

Price: $482,500
City: ARLINGTON
Bedrooms: 1
Bathrooms: 1
Property Type: Residential
MLS ID: AR7751864
Original Price: $482,500
Office: Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage

*** OPEN Sunday 2/12 from 1-3pm *** Corner unit has extra windows and is one of largest 2 bdrm...

Price: $572,000
City: ARLINGTON
Bedrooms: 2
Bathrooms: 2
Property Type: Residential
MLS ID: AR7770691
Original Price: $572,000
Office: FranklyRealty.com

Wow. Enjoy the monument views from this 2 BR/2 BA unit in sought-after Clarendon 1021. Fantastic...

Price: $615,000
City: ARLINGTON
Bedrooms: 2
Bathrooms: 2
Property Type: Residential
MLS ID: AR7747497
Original Price: $615,000
Office: Keller Williams Realty

9. 1024 UTAH ST N #915, ARLINGTON, VA 22201 in the Westview at Ballston for $396,000.  These are generally selling $330-340,000ish.  So even on top floor with great windows you just can't go up 15% in your list price.  A bedroom and den netted $376,000 in January 2008 so you have to go down from there.  Any appaiser would say to the seller the same thing I say to my 17month old son, "No go!".  no go seller

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NOTE: This post contains my personal opinions only and does not reflect the opinion of RE/MAX Allegiance and cannot be taken as advice for your particular situation.  Speak with your agent for advice or call me for input 703-624-3270.

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24 Responses to "Latest Round of Overpriced Condos in Clarendon in Arlington -- Part VII"

nearly 400 views in 1 day and no comments....what\'s up with that everybody?\r\n\r\nj

Posted on Saturday, June 21st, 2008 at 8:00 AM.


jb wrote:
Thanks Jay, I really appreciate these well researched lists of overpriced condos.\r\n\r\nTo me it\'s just amazing when people list as high as do, especially when there is plenty of inventory out there to compare against.

Posted on Tuesday, June 24th, 2008 at 12:45 PM.


Andrew wrote:
Now it\'s got 764 views...\r\nActually, I just bookmarked this blog site, found it by googling Arlington real estate. I must say, I do love The Odyssey building too. Maybe some day I will decide to sell my townhouse and get an apt high up in the sky with the views of the monuments.

Posted on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008 at 3:31 PM.


Andrew wrote:
Now it\'s got 764 views... Actually, I just bookmarked this blog site, found it by googling Arlington real estate. I must say, I do love The Odyssey building too. Maybe some day I will decide to sell my townhouse and get an apt high up in the sky with the views of the monuments.

Posted on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008 at 3:32 PM.


Thanks, Andrew. When you\'re ready to sell the townhouse let me know & I\'ll get you a lot more exposure than other agents. Read some of my \"seller\" tag articles to have your eyes opened on how to sell real estate: http://www.justnewlistings.com/arlington-virginia-blog/tags/sellers/

Posted on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008 at 3:36 PM.


buildingdc.com wrote:
I can\'t agree with you more. I work with professional developers and I help them figure out unit price by producing forecasting model that monitors per sq ft cost/sale. I can\'t tell you how many times I have had to deal with developers that get sticker shock from what they think their property is worth to what it is actually worth.

Posted on Tuesday, July 1st, 2008 at 2:18 PM.


Iz! Long time no see. You should be checking in on RSS the day it comes out if you view your RSS feeds each day--in other words I expect you to be one of the 1st to comment. when are you going to be a man and 1) join facebook 2) \\\"friend\\\" me. I\'ll give you a MLS widget for your profile with your price range--cool stuff. Just met with great friend from high school junior high through facebook. Hadn\'t seen her since 97---it\'s a blast! Happy 4th...

Posted on Tuesday, July 1st, 2008 at 3:24 PM.


sever@yahoo.com wrote:
Everyone situation is different and your opinion is effecting the ability for all of these places to sell, forcing all of these places to go to foreclosure. Thanks!!!

Posted on Sunday, July 6th, 2008 at 9:18 PM.


Laurnzo wrote:
ha..very good article, there is nothing better than the truth, these over price units and some buyers naivity are the reason for this hard hit on the housing business. I mean people get these overprice units without doing their homework and then put themselves in deep$#@^. I heard about someone buying a condo and couldn\'t make the second month payment..BS. This blog has pin point info to make you think and research before you do something stupid. I sure will pass it on to all my friends to look it up since alot of my friends and i are thinking of buying soon. Thanks man

Posted on Sunday, July 6th, 2008 at 9:18 PM.


Sever, you do not know much about markets or real estate. I appreciate your empathy for the sellers, but you need to understand the big picture. I have about ZERO influence over the marketplace. That\'s the truth. The market controls market values of the property...I just am reporting my opinion of where the market stands in light of comps for each scenario. If any of these places cannot sell it is because the price is wrong for the marketplace.\r\n\r\nI received an email this week from a lady stating her lawywer would contact me to shut my site down, etc. for this article. Here\'s part of my response to her which turned out to be a fake email address so she did not receive it:\r\n************************************\r\n\"For each email like yours, NAME, that arrives about 2x/year I receive a 100 emails from consumers out there in the marketplace thanking me for telling them the truth and helping them not to lose their money. If you are not supportive of that then it sounds like your are either misguided or of low character--why would you want home buyers to overpay? I\'ll be waiting to receive your answer, NAME. Why are you defending those who are trying to rip off good people in the marketplace who are often first time home buyers? \r\n\r\nThe 1st time I went back and assessed how accurate I was with my overpriced picks, I believe I had gotten 24 out of 25 correct. \r\n\r\njay

Posted on Sunday, July 6th, 2008 at 9:25 PM.


James wrote:
Sounds like you have a bone to pick with fellow realtor Frank Llosa. Here is his blog: http://blog.franklyrealty.com/. In short, he advocates \"lying\" on county records. e.g., instead of buying a condo for $400k, record it as $410k with $10k cash back. That tricks everybody around you into thinking that you overpaid.\r\n\r\nSidenote, I lived in Arlington from 2005 to 2008 and I\'m thankful that I rented an apartment the whole time instead of buying a condo. I was floored by the amounts of money people around me were willing to pay for the privilege of ownership, as if owning was ALWAYS better than renting. They either had deep pockets or were much more willing to pay for ownership than I was. A coworker bought a 1 bedroom in Eastview for $370k. Freakin\' 20 years old and 634 square feet according to county records. After a more detailed search of those records, I found that a few unfortunate souls were on the wrong end of a flip and paid $480k+ for their 1 bedrooms at Clarendon 1021.

Posted on Tuesday, July 8th, 2008 at 4:09 PM.


James, Frank is not advocating lying. He is a consumer advocate and passionate about bringing realtor lies and builder lies & tricks into the light for consumers since he started his blog. Delve into this archives to see what I mean. \r\n\r\nIf I\'m buying a condo--which I believe is safe to do now for the correct price--why wouldn\'t I want the sales price a bit higher in exchange for keeping my $10,000 in closing costs in my pocket? The $10,000 higher sales price hardly costs me anything each month in terms of the slightly larger mortgage, but I love keeping my $10,000 in my pocket or investments rather than losing it to closing costs. Seriously!\r\n\r\nI never thought about it in terms of trying to make your property\'s assessment as high as possible for resale purposes. To me that impact would be very minor--market values rule regardless of crappy tax records compared to the reasons for a seller subsidy mentioned above.\r\n\r\nRenting is NOT always better than owning. Frank has written about that on the pro-rent side before if you search his blog. How many realtors have the integrity to do that? Not many so I believe you\'ve really misunderstood Frank--he is a defender of homebuyers like myself.\r\n\r\nYour friend who paid $370,000 for Eastview sounds like he got smoked unless there was a den in addition to the bedroom. Most of those are worth about $330,000ish. \r\n\r\np.s. the name is jay...not james. No biggie.

Posted on Tuesday, July 8th, 2008 at 4:16 PM.


Izzy wrote:
I think OCD (overpriced condo syndrome) is a hilarious! \r\n\r\nThanks for helping everyone to keep it real!

Posted on Tuesday, July 8th, 2008 at 5:20 PM.


John Xjjkkkjkjk wrote:
Anything in Clarendon is a great buy. You can try to time a bottom point in the market, but housing prices will begin to rise again. Remember that (1) the population size is always rising, (2) new construction costs always are on the increase, (3) DC Metro is a transient area and always will be -- transient locations are always good for increasing home values. Today\'s prices will look cheap 7 years down the road.

Posted on Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 at 2:52 PM.


James wrote:
Jay: I think that it may be helpful to explain how you do your research on some of these condos. For example when we were looking at places in Station Square we found that there is a huge range of upgrades available, some units have fireplaces, wood floors, storage units, stainless steel appliances, ceramic tiles, patios, etc. and others don't. Just looking at the previous closing prices can be a bit misleading - I assume that you do additional diligence above and beyond simply reviewing prior closing prices?

Posted on Tuesday, July 15th, 2008 at 10:03 AM.


James, good point, and in some cases those issues are taken into account and other times probably not. Those issues are VERY minor in the market value since the overwhelming majority have similar finishes--especially in the newer buildings and any upgrades do NOT necessarily translate into significantly higher market values. Location and size play a much larger role in the market values. This I know--when I went and checked my record about 8 months ago I nailed it on 24 out of 25 condos. So my record of market observations is pretty good. If I'm not sure--it does not go on my list. But these are only my opinions everybody and you must do due diligence with your realtor or ask myself to represent you--I mostly work with buyers. J

Posted on Tuesday, July 15th, 2008 at 10:06 AM.


James wrote:
I think Arlington has some of the most absurdly over-priced condos in the area. When you had new 1BRs going for $150-175K back in 2000-2001 and they are now going for $350+, it's just a ridiculous appreciatoin that was fueled by mainly speculation. It's pretty obvious due to the #'s that went rental. 1021 is a perfect example of a condo that is overpriced PLUS their cabinets, counters, bathrooms, floors and appliances are all LOW CONSTRUCTION GRADE. It was a rental that got turned to condos at the last minute. I laugh when I see what people are trying to sell 1BRs for in there. They are worth $300K at the low end. I love how people think Granite and SS appliances = 50K or more.

Posted on Thursday, August 14th, 2008 at 3:00 PM.


Craig wrote:
I like your approach to real estate. Love your blog as well when you do it. I think both Odyssey and 1021 presetn incredible buying opportunities. they are the two elite buildings on teh Orange line and when the dust settles they will appreicate faster then there counter parts. So getting into a unit now at a good price only will allow you to be in a great position later on. In looking at the records you are probably 10-15k off in 1021 for 1 bedroom. There is a big range difference for 640 sq feet versus 750 sq feet.Everyone wants to live in Clarendon. The ody is a diverse building and hard to price because most floor plans and views are really different. Keep up the great work..

Posted on Thursday, August 14th, 2008 at 3:00 PM.


rubicon wrote:
Jay,can you comment on 2. 880 POLLARD ST again. I can see 5-390k for 2Br/1bth for 2 units there; and 0k for 820 Pollard St. You can't deny it is not buyer's market in Clarendon/Ballston areas. Properly priced?

Posted on Friday, October 10th, 2008 at 8:38 AM.


Long-Time Rosslyn Resident wrote:
Stay far, far away from buying a condo on the orange line. The days of condo speculation and flippers supporting ever higher and higher prices are long over. Realtors want to get deals done, which is understandable, but buyers can lose serious amounts of money by jumping into these massively mis-priced apartments. I have more than one friend who bought a 2/2 in a new building for 0k, only to find that it is impossible to sell it a year later (when life changes and requires you to be somewhere else) for a 0k loss because one can find a brand new 2/2, with some dealing, for 0k. There is so much supply available, and so many new condos coming online in the next five years, that competition in selling orange line condos in Arlington is just too intense. Returning to fundamentals, someone has to have a very well-paid job to support each of these 0k condos, and there just don't seem to be enough such people. We're not going to see orange line condos heading up to Manhattan-esque prices; there's too much room to build and things will just push out a bit further from the orange line. If you pay 0k for a 2/2 condo, be prepared to see it stagnate and, hopefully, in 7 years or so you might break even. Or there will be another brand new building selling 2/2 condos for 0k, with inflation. Also, keep in mind that buildings are depreciable assets, particularly in a neighborhood where another one can always be built next door. After five years, no one wants your old condo when they can pay the same for a brand new place. See, e.g., the condo portion of Courthouse Hill and that condo building on Clarendon not far from there.

Posted on Monday, January 26th, 2009 at 8:51 PM.


For those of you still subscribed to this thread, I'll let you be the 1st to know. There is a MASSIVE renovation coming to the website. the MLS will include previous sold prices, room dimensions, condo fees, taxes, living area and a bunch of neat tools for search. check it out and spread it around before it goes live. http://www.justnewlistings.com/ This is why I haven't blogged much for 2 months---been working on this and hiring some buyer agents to work side by side w/ me.

Posted on Monday, January 26th, 2009 at 8:56 PM.


Happy wrote:
I signed to buy into the Joule, but they canceled me after construction delays brought the ones in line before me past the two-year contractual date and bailed out.

So Happy I am.

And now I just wait.

Posted on Tuesday, March 31st, 2009 at 1:01 PM.


Mary Dougherty wrote:
So, is the answer to rent for the foreseeable future? It seems buying will lead to having a home that you cannot sell when you wish to. Is there any area other than Ballston that is preferred for those of us who work in DC and need ready and convenient access to Metro? Or should I just continue to rent? thanks much
Mary

Posted on Sunday, June 14th, 2009 at 8:07 PM.


That blog post may even be a year old. I'm not sure. I'm very busy, and my team members are, so I do not write that series as often, but the main reason I do not write that series as often anymore, Mary, is that the prices came down. The sellers wised up, and now they list very near market value compared to the previous couple of years. So, with lower prices and less inventory, and low interest rates, I hate to use cliches, but I just bought a house, and the prices look quite stable in most instances all along the orange line, so I'd be very comfortable with my mother buying a condo in Clarendon or Ballston??, for example. It just all has to be looked at on a case-by-case basis, listing by listing, to determine what is the safe price to buy at, and very often, my clients are getting very fair, legit, stable prices for their units. My team has 8 people under contract right now, so we're definitely on top of the market and on the front edge of what's going on. So, now is a fine a time to buy. It's just that it has to be, you know, studied and be careful and come up with the right prices and be willing to walk away. Perhaps I can send you some graphs or charts with more information. I'm out. It's almost 10:00 on Sunday night, heading home with my family, but I'll touch base tomorrow, and I'll post your comments tomorrow when I get back to the computer.

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Posted on Sunday, June 14th, 2009 at 9:23 PM.




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